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Bilal
07-18-2012, 10:21 AM
HI Guys !!
I always ask this to myself but I can never answer it what happen to the Golden Age of Anime??
when we watch the new animes we ll find a big changes (design..drawing style ..détails..and the story Events..).
the design..ex:.they ignoring (some actions...reactions-kick or punch...-the body details -to show muscles .etc.)
drawing ex: nature( trees ..animals ..) they didnt look good like it was before in old animes...
details ex:there s no hair or body details ....background was horrible !!
the story moving too fast ...yap..for that reason there s few episodes
see...there s big different between the new and elder animes .is nt it ???!!!
so what are you thinking about this . Am I Right?!!

vivster
07-19-2012, 02:30 AM
no i don't think you are right
you are generalizing over thousands of animes

there are as many bad old animes as there are bad new animes

Bilal
07-25-2012, 05:58 AM
maybe there s bad elder animes but i think its still much better than new animes

Shiraoi
07-25-2012, 06:13 AM
I had to reread your post a few times to get an idea what exactly it was about, but if you are one of these people who complain how anime used to be and isn't anymore... actually wait, this attitude applies not only to anime but also music/movies/books/Pokemon/candy/etc. I'll just give you my standard reply to everyone who says that "in their times X used to be so much better and they feel sorry for the kids today"

Like vivster said, there are as many bad old series as there are bad new series. The reason you don't hear much about them is because... well, nobody remembers them anymore. These series weren't good enough to be remembered so you hardly hear about them. That doesn't mean they don't exist, it's just that because only the good stuff tends to be remebered after a few years, people will get the false impression that all old series are works of art. Sure, nobody can stop you if you decide that new series aren't worth your time and you only want to watch old series. You'll miss out on many great anime though.

vivster
07-25-2012, 06:27 AM
THANK YOU!

couldn't have put it better ;)

Bilal
07-25-2012, 09:00 AM
look carefully ...for example you can see the difference

here/ you can see more details and .............................. here/ there s no details and childish drawing
perfect drawing style

https://encrypted-tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRVJl-v6NlVY4eMtoUrRYUIjCU4Z2620ewsp3xy_8NBhAHNAqig ....................http://www.animeph.com/list-hen-zemi.jpg...................................

Shiraoi
07-25-2012, 09:20 AM
You do realize I can very well use the same argument, right? For example...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v639/alpha-ryuu/16080.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v639/alpha-ryuu/user22049_pic143439_1304020039.jpg


See? Taking one image from a series that is supposed to have simple designs and another from a series with intricate costumes and amount of details can be done the other way round as well.

Bilal
07-25-2012, 11:09 AM
You do realize I can very well use the same argument, right? For example...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v639/alpha-ryuu/16080.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v639/alpha-ryuu/user22049_pic143439_1304020039.jpg


See? Taking one image from a series that is supposed to have simple designs and another from a series with intricate costumes and amount of details can be done the other way round as well.
look....you so clearly know the old animes that we talking about...again ....it's from the golden age of animes (2000-2004) but you bringing me image from the middle age before I was born and you try to compare it with image made by computer!!!......
why new animes ending in few episodes? .... i'll tell you why …the animes company spent too much money nd lot of animes painters to product new anime like old one for example if you watch one piece or naruto you can notice the difference ....I hope you understand that Shiraoi-san !!.
nd if you dont its just each one of us has différent opinionsand different sight .

Shiraoi
07-25-2012, 12:53 PM
Well, I'm sorry if the images I posted hurt your feelings.

If we're going to talk about funding and series length now, I'd rather have a series wrap up nicely in 13 episodes than be full of fillers, but I'm digressing here. Of course producing a series costs more than it used to. There's much more competition and it's hard to get the funds. And no, I don't watch Naruto or One Piece but are you seriously expecting anime companies to produce animation exactly the way they used to, even though they now have more advanced technology available? That's kind of missing the point if you ask me.

And well, I said in my first post that I'm not going to tell you what you should watch, since it's entirely your own decision and if you prefer series from that time, watch them. In my opinion you'll be missing out but I'm not going to enforce it on anyone.

Norza
07-25-2012, 04:49 PM
As far as I can tell, unless you provide some anime you liked and hated to serve as a point of reference, this will get nowhere. Because you provided Tokyo Underground and Hen Zemi as a point of reference, I will continue from there.

A. Two different genres will undoubtedly have different drawing styles. Hen Zemi is a style similar to Azumanga Daioh. From what I can tell, dissing a title on art is very unwise and unfounded as it has no bearing on whether something is good or not. Whether or not the content matched the art is a different story.
More on the detail bit, cel-drawing is still favored because each screen is hand drawn as well as keeping the artists' touch. So the anime will have a smoother, softer feel to it. Because anime is digitally drawn these days, the image is now crisp and cleaner. I prefer the clean look, but in the end, I really don't swing either way. And, uh, what's wrong with digital drawing? If you like cel-drawing, I have no reason to say anything, but to say that you dislike modern anime because of that is whimsical.

B. Tokyo Underground sucked. Personally, I thought it was generic--but back in the day, it may have been hot pockets. Having watched that title among modern ones, I couldn't help but dislike it. But if you watched it when it was just released, you will have a different perspective. Everything may seem unoriginal. If you watched anime for the first time, would you be able to say it was generic? No, and that anime you just watched will then serve as a reference until you've massively expanded it. All perspective and preferences.

C. As the others have stated, the obscure ones that were, "Eh," get forgotten. Example is why a year may feel fast. You forgot all of the boring stuff. Having watched so much anime this year, I surely can't recall all 100+ titles.

D. About anime length--people have their preferences. Short titles are more to-the-point and economically advantageous. Longer titles are risky and, unless backed up with a large viewership, will flop. Personally, I prefer 2 cours (26ish episodes). But, there is not point bringing up the length of the anime as length has nothing to do with how good something is.


But yeah, opinions are opinions--so you're free to think what you want. But I tend to stick to the factual and psychological side of things.

Bilal
07-26-2012, 09:01 AM
Your Right Norza-San !!

But, 1st:)I am not "against technology" and the differents drawing styles...
I realize that (more companies=different types drawing=more competition products..).
So what's that supposed to mean?
yap...awesome nd perfect anime worth watching... even if I Know there's a lot, this days ex: hajime no ippo (2vol)..it's really great anime (height details...perfect story.....) but you can see the difference between the two volumes... the 2nd is much better.- clean and more smother image just like you said - .. even though it was made by modern drawing.....
it's the techs or a revolutionary of artists drawing style.

2nd:) usually.. action nd adventure..sci fi.. animes needs a lot of art equipment than Comedy, Drama, Romance..) cuz it takes more episodes ….outher animes totally depends a lot of conversations -- Dialogues nd simple actions…quick stories…) thers no need for details = no wasting money.

As a Result …

Maybe the modern anime has the best quality animation, but in terms of story, voice acting, and characters, I prefer the classic anime. The classic anime also had variety in the titles that were produced that every fan could enjoy.

the new ones are somewhat based on the old so the former could not exist without the latter.
And maybe the creativity is the judgment

Well, let's Just enjoy anyhow!! We just have to appreciate and remember the past and look forward to the future.:bingo:
Shiraoi & Norza & vivster__thank you so much for your time nd your interest…

Seraphia
07-28-2012, 02:25 AM
How old are we talking here? I wouldn't really say there is that much of a difference between anime that was made in the 90s and anime that is made now...old, for me, would be going back even further than that.

I don't think it's animation quality that has improved as much as it is picture quality. I still enjoy watching anime drawn in an older, now-abandoned art style, and in some cases - such as Pokemon - I prefer the older style. It's like video games; animators are favouring smoother, more polished visuals, but that doesn't make them better than the old style. It's art; it's subjective. It DOES look better on higher definition TVs, yes, but really its up to you what you make of it. I have no problem watching older series in what might now be considered an outdated art style. Visuals don't matter much to me.

One thing I have noticed about the transition between old and new is that there is a noticeable decrease in the number of episodes to a series, generally speaking. Sure, you get series like Naruto, Bleach, One Piece and Pokemon, which run for hundreds and hundreds of episodes, but we'll look at, say, the magical girl genre, for a comparison. Sailor Moon ran for about 200 episodes. The Pretty Cure series all run for about 50 episodes, and in my opinion, the story doesn't suffer for it; if anything, it improves, because there is no time for filler. You'll have to forgive any potential ignorance on my behalf here, because I didn't get into anime until the early 90s, so I'm not aware of any popular shows older than that that are under at least 26 episodes. From my perspective, there are a lot of popular anime these days that are under that; something you didn't see back in the old days.

In some places, anime have become a lot more streamlined, cutting out the unnecessary and dull (although of course, not all anime do this) and delivering a much better story for it in a dramatically decreased amount of time. Of course, on the flipside, you could argue that the filler so present in older anime builds character, and that they suffer as a result of this, but...well, in my opinion this doesn't count for anything. You can build a good character in less than a hundred episodes; you only need to look at how Simon changed through Gurren Lagann to see that. It varies with each anime, and both approaches - taking a long time and fleshing it out, or cutting it right down and tossing everything at the viewer in rapid succession - have merit. I guess that which you think is better comes down to personal perspective. Personally, I can't watch anything over 100 episodes unless it has a REALLY good story to draw me in, and few anime, either old or new, can accomplish that.

Times change, styles change, I guess. Really, it comes down to what you were brought up with as well. If you're of a younger generation, used to flashier visuals, I imagine the older style would look horrible to you. But, having been brought up on this older animation style, and being focused more on the story and the entertainment factor for anime, I can't say I really mind it, and I don't perceive an overall positive or negative change in anime; just a change that can go either way depending on the series in question.