{Philosophers' Corner}

[kiziroglu]

new topic ?

[DDv]

Sorry I'm quite busy these days. Any suggestions?

[pretmaker]

MMM how about home security... Parentship (what makes a good parent)... Adoptation (Good, bad... up and down sides?)

Man behind the curtains? (Do secret people rule the world and make profit of the current rulers or are there people behind the curtains controlling the world, what speculations are they and what are they based on)

Mass media controll (Is the media unbaised or controlled (propaganda))

What kind of topic are you searching for???

Lucrative???
The how about the global warming effects (it is not only the temperature rising... :P)

Serious???
Art of war (How should war be conducted and what should be won with a war... When should you go to war?)

Deadly???
Guns X People (Need I say more :P)

What kind of dirrection do you want DDv?

[kiziroglu]

it should be one that will lead to discussions

[DDv]

Originally Posted by kiziroglu

it should be one that will lead to discussions

Exactly.



Nuclear energy

[pretmaker]

MMM I am not against nuclear energy although I do know the risk involved. But I am still not against it. I only encourage it. I will explain myself later on.

But this is my initial point.

[VashTexan]

Yay, something I'm pretty knowledgeable about, but there's not that much to write about it. Well, "nuculear" (as Bush likes to say, still rofl) energy tends to apply to nuclear fission, but I'll mention fusion as well.

Nuclear fission is a good idea, theoretically. Large amounts of many forms of energy are released during nuclear fission. However, humans have only been able to harness only a microscopic amount of the thermal form of energy released. I've seen the whole system of how a nuclear fission reaction works, and it basically uses a controlled, maintained fission chain reaction to generate heat, which is used to heat water, producing steam that goes through an electric turbine and then into the atmosphere. To put it simply, a nuclear reactor plant, along with coal power plants, uses steam power--something that was around since ancient Greece(B.C., used for various mechanical tricks in churches and presents for leaders, etc.).

I personally think it's really primitive and very outdated, not to mention unbelievably inefficient, wasteful, and even polluting. You really think all that steam doesn't contain any radioactive "residue" of sorts when it returns to the atmosphere. Also, the radioactive effects on the immediate area, particularly when something goes wrong (I don't think I need to mention any examples...). Humans need to find ways to harness much more of the energy released during nuclear fission. There's lots of research going on to improve the efficiency of modern nuclear power plants, including recycling radioactive material, harnessing more heat energy by various techniques and reducing the radioactive material needed, and even floating nuclear power plants (as they need lots of water to run properly; planned by Russia and other countries). But, there needs to be much more research in how to harness more types of energy.

It has been brought to my attention, in light of the USA satellite that crashed to earth recently, that there have been intensive studies to harness more of the energy released by nuclear fission. The satellite was supposedly using a radioisotope thermoelectric generator. From the looks of it, it seems to have great potential and looks interesting. Here's it from Wiki if you're interested:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioisotope_thermoelectric_generator

Nuclear fusion reactions, on the other hand, are much less developed. There are several fusion reactors already built, but they're only used for research. They're trying to find out everything they can about it and how to harness enough energy from the fuel needed to produce the reaction, cost-benefit analysis, maintaining the reaction, etc. But, it doesn't look like anything practical will be put into use for perhaps 50 years or more...

[chimpzy]

Originally Posted by VashTexan

Nuclear fusion reactions, on the other hand, are much less developed. There are several fusion reactors already built, but they're only used for research. They're trying to find out everything they can about it and how to harness enough energy from the fuel needed to produce the reaction, cost-benefit analysis, maintaining the reaction, etc. But, it doesn't look like anything practical will be put into use for perhaps 50 years or more...

That's a real shame. A vast energy supply that can serve all of humanities needs, while at the same time being cleaner than fossil fuels and nuclear fission, is what we need right now. but you're right, it just isn't tenable right now.

And then there's a second problem beside that.
Who would benefit from it? How long, if ever, would it take for the entire world to benefit from such an energy source.
Nuclear fission reactors have been around for over 60 years, but I don't see many third world countries have any. Although that is probably attributable to research into nuclear being easily changed into nuclear weaponry (But we're not talking about the world's balance of power) and most just can't afford it either.

[pretmaker]

Originally Posted by chimpzy

That's a real shame. A vast energy supply that can serve all of humanities needs, while at the same time being cleaner than fossil fuels and nuclear fission, is what we need right now. but you're right, it just isn't tenable right now.

And then there's a second problem beside that.
Who would benefit from it? How long, if ever, would it take for the entire world to benefit from such an energy source.
Nuclear fission reactors have been around for over 60 years, but I don't see many third world countries have any. Although that is probably attributable to research into nuclear being easily changed into nuclear weaponry (But we're not talking about the world's balance of power) and most just can't afford it either.

Normally people first ask if they are allowed to join the club :)... ALthough DDV is quite bussy he can still read PM's.. So send him a PM and I am sure that he will allow you to join. I can recommend you as a possible candidate.

The problems are no things that we can not overcome. Since allot of our planet is consumed by water. And almost all water can be used since it just has to be boiled for this time....


Nuclear energy is clean and safe energy. The proces of gaining such energy is safer then mining.
I think that if we can do more research on how to handle it and clean up the waste then we will be really glad that we can use it. Since it is much more independand then other energies that we know at this time.
I will go into it later... For now it is time for anime and a nice good sleep :)

Chimpzy, do not forget to PM DDV, mention my name in it and then he will know enough and he could contact me for more details... I think that it is nice to have some good additions to the discussions...
Nucleair :P energy is cleaner then coals and gas. That is proven. It is the question if it is cleaner then solar, water and wind energy. Later we can look at the efficiency. Although those 3 lose from nuclear.

[DDv]

*chimpzy added to Members*