Painless Rape: A Moral Dilemma

[Slayden]

The last board I posted a similar topic like this in, it nearly started a forest fire. But I didn't have as much scientific data then as I do now so the results and discussion should be pretty different. This actually was originally going to be part of a post in the "What do girls feel when they get an orgasm?" thread but as it got deeper I thought it would actually be better in its own thread, especially considering the moral dilemma I present at the end.

Oh and don't reply with "Things that are done in hentai should not be done in real life." That response is not welcome in this thread. I was sick of that chant clogging the air last time and I'm still sick of it now. This is real life with real science in 3D I'm talking about not hentai fantasy in 2D. Period.


First off I would like to inform everyone on where orgasms truly begin. The spine is actually where orgasms originate, not the brain. Ever notice the pressure or tingling sensation at the base of your spine when you are about to cum? The chit-chat between the genitals and the spine is what causes the delightful sensations and the orgasm that eventually follows. The brain has some input regarding this, just as the brain has some input for blinking and breathing, but it is largely automatic. Sexual stimulation is likened to a prolonged knee-jerk reaction, where the sensory signal is split in two once it reaches the spine; half of the signal "informs" the brain as to what is going on while the other half of the signal goes right back to the genitals with the message "gimme more."

The brain can impede or accelerate the process of reacting to the sexual stimulation, but all it can do is regulate how quickly or slowly the orgasm comes. The brain doesn't have the final say in a definitive "yes" or "no" sense. As I said, the genitals and spine are merely "informing" the brain as to what is going on, not asking for its approval. This matter is complicated when rape enters the equation.

As I said, this becomes very complicated and very delicate. To begin, pain will interfere with everything, even in the function of vital organs. The body is under duress and goes into survival mode when enough pain is applied, regardless of the source of pain. In the case of rape, you've got mixed signals going to the brain. There is a little pleasure in it, but almost all pain, so the pain overrides what little pleasure is being felt. Furthermore, the brain, as aforementioned, can suppress sexual pleasure. So if a woman truly does not want it at all, she will feel nothing but pain during an experience of unprepared penetration.

Now we're going to cross over to a morally questionable (in my opinion, still wrong) circumstance. I'm hesitant to mention it considering the context, but I believe in the freedom of information. I also believe in the freedom to watch people's perplexed, hesitant responses too. A woman can be raped, without pain, and feel an orgasm. I suppose you could call it the ultimate forbidden knowledge of human sexuality. Just as one can have painless anal sex due to technique, a painless rape may be performed, also due to technique. In fact, this is even easier than performing painless anal. However, I haven't actually done this one to a girl.

If a woman were tied up against her will and stripped, she'll be feeling a lot of fear at this point. But under these circumstances she is handled in an unexpected way. The rapist fondles her genitals exactly the same way as though it was consensual (in short, foreplay). Given the gentle touch, her vagina would react in the exact same fashion as though she wanted it. Blood would still swell her labia (her pussy lips), her vagina would still become more flexible, and she would still get wet. The only difference is, her brain would be suppressing the signals and prolonging the amount of time it would take to get her body in the mood. Fingers, vibrators, even a penis could be inserted after a time and she would feel no pain because her vagina and spine are acting of their own accord, without the brain having a say in it. And despite that her brain is fighting the sensations, an orgasm is inevitable. She cannot stop it. She is forced to feel good.

To make this easier to understand, the same applies to guys. It's not one-sided you see. Tie up a guy against his will and jack him off without him wanting it and he will orgasm. It is exactly the same. There is no difference in principle, only time. It would take longer to get a woman to achieve orgasm in this fashion than a guy.

Now here's where it gets better. Put a girl in this situation. She feels no pain and she orgasmed, but she was forced. Was she raped? Most would say "yes." Now put a guy in this situation. Obviously no pain and he orgasmed, but he was forced. Was he raped? Most would say "Uhhhhh..."

What would you say?

Personally, if I was tied up and forcibly jacked off (as funny as it sounds), I would not be happy afterward. Basically it was done without my permission. I would have a mental feeling of discomfort, and maybe a bit of guilt, but trauma would not be a factor at all. If a woman had a rape fantasy and asked me to do this I would likely do it, but other than that, it's a little too close for comfort to the standard, traumatic rape.

Thoughts? I'm especially interested in girl's opinions on this, but guys are welcome too. (If you dare to reply)

[krnxknight]

orgasm is a physical response; like you said, beating off a guy will result in him ejaculating, whether he wants to or not. same with females. this is true, yes.

i mentioned rape in the previous thread because if i was raped, even though the sex could be great, i wouldn't enjoy it because the feeling of helplessness i'd have, compounded with the fear for my life and other factors. rape is about power and control <<< textbook definition. i won't disagree that the physical act of rape is pleasurable, yet all the other factors like fear and helplessness tend to shut that part out.
i use his because i'm a female and rapists that would target me are typically male. i've never been successfully raped so females that have been, feel free to shoot my argument to the ground or agree.

as for you getting tied up and jacked off, typically rape of a female involves insertion of something and usually doesn't result in orgasm.
but let's say the female did orgasm. if it was against her will, it was rape. if it was against your, the male's, will, it was also rape and holds up in court.
rape is rape, pleasurable or not.

[Daniel.]

Rape is rape. End of story. While Slayden sounds quite correct (hes done more research then I have on the subject and while I don't see citation I have no reason not to believe the man) I think that any act of sexual deviousness against the persons will or results in domination and over control of another person is more or less considered sexual assault. amirite? Here we are not allowed to call it rape. (But I'll be raped before I stop calling it that, pun). In Australia its "sexual assault" because rape is a pretty harsh word.

I wouldn't wish the type of feeling on any female, no one deserves it.

However I myself, like Slayden are male. We can only try to comprehend what it must be like. While it would seem that direct sexual stimulation would result in orgasm no matter the circumstances (unless mass amounts of pain are involved, which cancels out the feelings of pleasure) there are also people I know who have NEVER EVER had an orgasm. Would these people have a chance of orgasming? I don't think so, not from a stranger, or if not a stranger, not from rape (in general){unless a rape fantasy was needed to make them orgasm}.

For me, I'm still only 16, I value my knowledge and experience on female genitalia but I'm finding it hard to give input into this thread, maybe because of my age, maybe because I woke up at 6:00am this morning (against my will) and it is now 7:17am and I am extremely tired but cannot sleep.

I'll see where this goes and weather or not my posts would have any input or not in the matter.

[Kenadian]

Even if it was done to a guy, regardless of the usual "uhhhh" response from society at large, if it was against his will he was still technically raped. So personally, I consider it as morally reprehensible as the "painless rape" of a woman, as you described.

[reminder]

Rape always was, and always will be, psychological abuse more than physical one. If we look at it... well, (most of) wounds heal. Let's look at a female who already lost her virginity (most of 14+ girls nowadays, lol). What physically is rape to her? One more time when she has sex, nothing more. Yeah, it's painful, but physical pain goes away soon.


What is more important is the psychological condition of that girl. It's so much harder to heal those scars, make a girl forget that she was taken against her will.

Painless rape is almost as bad as panful one, since the girl may experience an orgasm with her body, but her mind will be against it. Some things are "good" only when you think of them as "good"...

[Daniel.]

Originally Posted by reminder

Let's look at a female who already lost her virginity (most of 14+ girls nowadays, lol).

I have no idea what part of the world you come from. But thats defiantly not the case here, most girls here are virgins until they are about 17 - 18.
I think some girls would LIKE to lose their virginity at age 15 - 16 but unless they turn into a whore or unless they don't give a shit who gets it, all girls here are looking for a strong iron relationship thats sexually healthy.

My ex wasn't ready for sex at 14.

[Slayden]

Interesting responses. I agree that in both cases, even in the male's case, it is technically rape.

If you want citations, you can Google "orgasm spine" without quotes and get several sources. Hell here's a link:

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Originally Posted by reminder

Rape always was, and always will be, psychological abuse more than physical one. If we look at it... well, (most of) wounds heal. Let's look at a female who already lost her virginity (most of 14+ girls nowadays, lol). What physically is rape to her? One more time when she has sex, nothing more. Yeah, it's painful, but physical pain goes away soon.

What is more important is the psychological condition of that girl. It's so much harder to heal those scars, make a girl forget that she was taken against her will.

Painless rape is almost as bad as panful one, since the girl may experience an orgasm with her body, but her mind will be against it. Some things are "good" only when you think of them as "good"...

Not quite. The deep mental scars caused by a traumatic rape results from the physical pain of the experience, not the "idea" of being taken without permission. A rape performed in the way I described would result in guilt, unhappiness, and a general feeling of mental discomfort, but not the mind-breaking result, and heart-wrenching sight, of a girl who was brutalized. I would feel this way too if I was tied up and forcibly jerked off by a guy (I'm not gay).

[Junior666]

Wow. Leave it to Slayden to create a thread like this. XD

I understand the whole 'Painless rape' thing, but making a girl orgasm against her will is very humiliating. I mean, I'd feel as if I asked for it then. It seems a bit more cruel than painful rape.

[EviL]

Originally Posted by Junior666

Wow. Leave it to Slayden to create a thread like this. XD

I understand the whole 'Painless rape' thing, but making a girl orgasm against her will is very humiliating. I mean, I'd feel as if I asked for it then. It seems a bit more cruel than painful rape.

Which your not alone a lot of girls that suffer from rape trauma sometimes ending up killing themselves because they believe that they were asking for it because they believe they enjoyed it just because an orgasm was involved. I can't imagine what it's like to go through such an experience but I know the men that do this are cowards and are very disgusting.

[Daniel.]

I think we all fundamentally agree on that EviL.