[IrishRed]

Pull up a chair, get comfortable, and learn from an "Old dude"...

First, and foremost, BE YOURSELF. Don't try to be anything but 100% honest. Women can tell. They all know our scams. Leave those in the sleazy bar for the sleazy women you don't want in the first place.

Second. Ask her for a casual get together. Don't make it sound like a "date". She will be more inclined to accept an invitation for casual coffee than a "Dinner and Movie" type date.

Third. Establish conversation with her. Don't just talk TO her, LISTEN to her. Pay attention to what she says. Oh, and look her in the eyes. There will be time to check out her cleavage later if you do this step right.

Fourth. Be a gentleman. Pull out her chair for her, open the door, etc. Some women don't like this, but I will guess that 90% do. Be courteous to EVERYBODY. She will look at how you treat others around you as a sign of maturity and you will gain a LOT of points just by opening the door for the little old lady as well as the 30ish couple.

And lastly, Be clean! This should be a no-brainer, but you would be suprised at the number of women that will not go out with an unmade bed! Think about it.